Now forgive me if im wrong just got in from a few beers seen the second half of the stains game WTF wheres eastmond, wellens couldn't hit a barn door with a dead cat, I think rather than us droppimg a level stains overachieve against us because what I saw of the performance tonight was absolute e if they had played like that last week we'd have scored 40, and even more amazingly they had a 9 - 2 penalty count in their favour I f****n despair bad results all round tonight.

We could have really done with Salford beating Cas, that's what's knocked us out the 8

Got to agree, it seems Saints lift their game when they play us

Or we can`t lift our defence to the levels needed to beat St Helens, i thought Wakefield defended very well tonight and they forced saints into a few errors, granted the conditions contributed to some of the saints errors.

We never defend well enough to beat saints, quite a lot of the time we are conceding over 30 and 40pts to them, that won`t win you many games at any level.

It would also have been very close had we not kicked any goals last week.

Come off it Rob, Saints were ten gears behind what they were last week.

Whats that got to do with anything ? Your only as good as your opponents let you play, saints are used to walking over and through teams and Wakefield stood up to them tonight with some good defence. Even Roby didn`t get the usual space that we hand to him on a plate, Wakefield knew how to slow saints down and how to play them at the marker which is something we have failed to grasp over the years and even you can`t argue against that.

I can guarentee you that if St Helens were 20 gears worse than their previous weeks performance against us then we would still probably lose to them, saints havn`t been great against us all the time when they have beat us on this amazing run of us failing to beat them, we have lost to average saints performances as well.

just said the old fella, that saints, it would appear, do raise their game against us, contrary to popular belief.....

It's got to do with it because you're saying that "our defence can't lift to the levels" needed to beat Saints, well it's easier to lift to what Saints threw at Wakefield tonight, than what came last week. I'll reitterate, Saints were gears below tonight. The lack of runners & options for the ball carrier was most un Saints like.

If they'd rocked up with that last week, we'd have won.

Ok we would have won last week, we would have beat St Helens if that makes you feel better.

This is Warrington we are talking about, we dig deep to find ways of losing against saints even when we look we are in control of a game, they have not always played great rugby against us and we have still found ways to lose.

Old regimes maybe. This regime, no way.

We find ways to win games that we have no right to win, see pretty much the last two months.

Saints suffered tonight from a variety of things, weather, injuries, perhaps a touch of hangover from last week, obviously lack of kicker being the main one, or they'd have still had enough for this quite brilliant Wakefield defence that you tell me of that shipped five tries in woeful conditions.

How disrespectful If we beat Saints and anyone was on here claiming they were below par there would be outrage from the likes of you.