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| Right, first things first. Ill say this so others dont have to: 1) it was only pre-season 2) Im confident we'll be OK this season.
Glad thats out of the way.
ANYWAY...
My most worrying aspect of the game today was how little influence George Williams had. The Saints forwards were indeed very aggressive (as to be expected as its their cup final) but everytime I watched Williams he seemed reluctant to take the ball anywhere near their line before passing. In interviews on Wigan TV over the past few months Shaun Wane has repeatedly talked about how he requires a running halfback who will take the ball to the line aswell as a kicking and organising halfback. Williams has obviously replaced Green as the running halfback and this is why he got the 6 shirt over Powell but today he seemed reluctant to do even that. Additionaly I lost count of how many times he was caught in posession and lost us metres. I wouldnt post this if I didnt think it was a slight concern but he was poor in his spell against Leigh aswell. Yet, against Leigh, when Hampshire moved to 6 he was a bright spark. Contrast that to today and Hampshire was awful when he played at fullback. So surely Wane has to now look at playing Hampshire at 6?
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| It's early doors, however here are my thoughts, these were before a ball was even passed this year.
Williams looks a better Hooker than half back.
Powell looks a better half back than Williams.
Hampshire is a liability at fullback. Hampshire also looks more of a threat in the halves than Williams.
Summary, Williams off the bench in the hooking role. Hampshire/Powell in the halves. If Bowen is out move Sarge to fullback as we can cover centre more easily than fullback.
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| Quote ChrisA="ChrisA"It's early doors, however here are my thoughts, these were before a ball was even passed this year.
Williams looks a better Hooker than half back.
Powell looks a better half back than Williams.
Hampshire is a liability at fullback. Hampshire also looks more of a threat in the halves than Williams.
Summary, Williams off the bench in the hooking role. Hampshire/Powell in the halves. If Bowen is out move Sarge to fullback as we can cover centre more easily than fullback.'"
YES! Completely agree, in time Id than have Tierney replace Bowen.
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| I think Williams and Hampshire have the potential to be a very good partnership.
Smith and Williams simply don't seem to work because they are too alike in style.
I noticed when Rocky came back on at 6 for the final 10 he was barking out the orders at his pack, I've never seen Williams do that at this level.
I'd like Williams to go out on loan to a SL club get some game time as a traditional 7.
Burns showed today what we miss with Williams at 6 and without Green.
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| I think going into the season without a top class 6 will be the difference between silverware and finishing trophyless, we look fairly good everywhere else. I've not been impressed with Williams at 9 either, so I'm not sure how the jigsaw fits best together.
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| Quote Orrell Lad="Orrell Lad"I think going into the season without a top class 6 will be the difference between silverware and finishing trophyless, we look fairly good everywhere else. I've not been impressed with Williams at 9 either, so I'm not sure how the jigsaw fits best together.'"
You're very right. My only suggestion is we play Hampshire at 6 he was good there against Leigh.
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| I think Powell will probably end up playing the most games at 6 out of the three of him, Williams and Hampshire although I do feel Hampshire is the best of the three. I've said before that I'm happy with those three but to keep them fresh and performing we'll have to rotate a little and keep them all fighting for the shirt.
On the plus side from pre season Connor Farrell looks a real player! He's got more natural aggression then Liam yet a lot of his other attributes are much the same. On the subject of Liam I hope Wanes calls for more aggression from him are not to his detriment. He's looked pre occupied with being niggly these past two weeks and it's not needed IMO. Guys like Joel Tomkins, McIlorum and Bateman have that aggressive streak and to me Faz should just be cracking on with what he's best at.
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| Hampshire is a better 6 than anyone else in the Wigan squad from my viewings and his positional play at 1 lands him in difficulty at times. Could it be communication with his wingers as he's not played there a massive amount? If I was Wane I'd have him as stand off every week.
I believe Williams will replace Smith in time but I think he'll float between 6 and 9 for the next season or two.
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| Think Rocky has to be at 6 against Widnes. Longer term perhaps him at FB and Williams/Powell at SO might work out but we need to hit the ground running.
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"I think Powell will probably end up playing the most games at 6 out of the three of him, Williams and Hampshire although I do feel Hampshire is the best of the three. I've said before that I'm happy with those three but to keep them fresh and performing we'll have to rotate a little and keep them all fighting for the shirt.
On the plus side from pre season Connor Farrell looks a real player! He's got more natural aggression then Liam yet a lot of his other attributes are much the same. On the subject of Liam I hope Wanes calls for more aggression from him are not to his detriment. He's looked pre occupied with being niggly these past two weeks and it's not needed IMO. Guys like Joel Tomkins, McIlorum and Bateman have that aggressive streak and to me Faz should just be cracking on with what he's best at.'"
Yeah i agree. As much as I like him L. Farrell does come across too timid a lot of the time when the opposition are aggressive.
As for his brother Connor, he looked decent but my only worry with him is his lack of size. No doubt he'll get bigger with age but it was a complete mismatch today him coming up against Atelea Vea in the same position who was 3 stone heavier than him!! Mark Bitcoin needs to work miracles with young Connor I think.
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| Quote Pacific="Pacific"Yeah i agree. As much as I like him L. Farrell does come across too timid a lot of the time when the opposition are aggressive.
As for his brother Connor, he looked decent but my only worry with him is his lack of size. No doubt he'll get bigger with age but it was a complete mismatch today him coming up against Atelea Vea in the same position who was 3 stone heavier than him!! Mark Bitcoin needs to work miracles with young Connor I think.'"
Pacific I beg to differ when you say that Farrell is to timid, he is the only forward who does the full 80 min and today he was the only forward who made any ground or half a break ( even though he needs to cut out the niggly lying on at the play the ball). In my opinion his only downfall to being a really great second row is lack of size.
But the main concern is the lack of cohesion at halfback, whatever partnership we have at present just does not seem to gell.
Again in my opinion Smith is not a running or creative scrum half and as I have said before he plays as a secondary dummy half. By saying this all he seems to do is move the ball as quick has he can to the right and today by trying to move the ball fast ( the famous Wigan structure) the pass either went behind the supporting Wigan players or in some cases these same Wigan players overran the ball.
So what is the answer, I would play Hampshire and Williams at halfback next week at Workington, if only to give them time to get a bit of confidence back and I would play Smith at hooker and have MM on the bench.
Halfback is without doubt the problem at Wigan and something has to be sorted out, because there is nobody else on the horizon waiting to come in.
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| The fact that we're a week and a half away from the start of the season and we don't know what our half-back combination will be is ridiculous.
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